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J.D.
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Hi, guys —
Thank you for your web site.
I am increasingly drawn to the
Catholic understanding of Communion. I find the arguments that
Jesus was speaking literally when he established this sacrament
completely compelling.
My problem is with the fact that lay
people are only offered the bread. I understand that Christ
is fully present in both the consecrated wine and consecrated
host and that the consecrated
[Host/Bread] is sufficient but I think a more
logical and fuller extension of Christ's Words would advocate
communing with both kinds.
- Why argue that his words should be
taken literally in the main meaning but not in the practice?
He says take both of you and He makes no distinction between the laity and
clergy.
I find Communion with both kinds, an ever more meaningful experience
even though I'm still a Protestant. The thought of losing
the privilege of receiving both is a loss. Again, I understand
the teaching that receiving under one kind is sufficient but I don't understand
why serving with both wouldn't be a more richer experience to follow . . . following of His words.
I am 53, live in the USA and have a strong Protestant
background but am watch EWTN daily and reading Catholic
books. I am looking at converting as a possibility.
Thank you — I really appreciate your
daily e-mails.
J.D.
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For a richer experience, can you explain why Catholics don't receive Communion under both kinds? }
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Bob replied:
J.D.,
Thanks for your sharing.
I appreciate how bewildered it must make you
feel to see how many churches, that could offer the fullness of Christ's
sacrifice, in every way, but don't take the trouble.
Thankfully, that isn't
the end of the story. More and more Catholic parishes are offering Communion
under both species, because that is the fullness of Christ's command, take
and drink . . . My pastor feels Communion should not be celebrated in a thrifty manner,
thus we always offered Communion
under both species.
The practice was common in the Early Church but
fell out of practice as churches grew and logistics made it impractical.
There has been, however, a general movement since Vatican II to make the
liturgy more participatory for the laity, for better or worse, and as a
result, this practice has been revitalized from a long absence.
You may find that there is a parish near you that offers Communion under both kinds.
Anyhow,
if the Lord is leading you to consider becoming Catholic, don't let it
stand in your way.
I'm sure you will find Communion under both species
eventually.
Hope this helps. God Bless.
Bob Kirby
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Eric replied:
J.D.,
As my colleague Bob pointed out, there are many parishes that offer Communion under
both species, as we say. As you say, it is a fuller sign but
not technically necessary.
You can also go to an Eastern Rite Catholic
parish, if they have one near where you live . . . Melkite, Maronite, Ukrainian,
and so forth. They always give (and have always given) Communion under
both species in the form of intinction where the Precious Body is dipped
(or immersed) into the Precious Blood.
Eric
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Mike replied:
Hi J.D.,
I wanted to echo my colleagues comments and suggest you look into getting a cheap copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I use to run a free program that sent Catechisms to seeking Protestants but no longer have the finances to do this any more.
I'm financially poor can could use some big donations.
Take care my brother!
Know you will be in my prayers.
Mike
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J.D. replied:
Thank you so much for your fast and kind response!!
It was so helpful.
- Can you ask to receive under both kinds in most Roman Catholic churches?
- If so, what would do?
I am so close to wanting to move to Catholicism but my involvement
in my church is an issue. I don't want to hurt or discourage those around me.
I teach Sunday School and I am on my Consistory.
Another question:
Do I
have to wait to Easter to join the Church?
Please forgive my impatience. I've probably asked too many questions and I feel
like I am imposing.
God Bless you for your work. I am watching an
EWTN program with two priests as I am writing. It has been most informative.
Thank-you again.
J.D.
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Mike replied:
HI J.D.,
You said:
- Can you ask to receive under both kinds in most Roman Catholic churches?
Each parish has its own approach as to whether it celebrates Holy Communion
under one or both kinds, so to answer your question is No. You have to find a Catholic parish that celebrates under both species.
You said:
I don't want to hurt or discourage those around me.
I teach Sunday School and I am on my Consistory.
- What faith denomination are you?
Either way, guided by the Holy Spirit,
the Lord will give you the grace to answer whatever questions your friends
and family may have. Remember Our Lord said in Scriptures, paraphrasing:
It won't be
you speaking, it will be ME speaking through you.
Pray daily and trust in the Holy Spirit.
If you live in the United States, Yes, you probably have to wait until
Easter to join the Church.
If you live in the United States, Yes, you probably have to wait until
Easter to join the Church. The bad news: If RCIA has started already, you may have
until the next time it starts up. It would be good to make an appointment with the pastor, one who is faithful to the Church. He can go over your options.
Mike
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Eric replied:
J.D. wrote:
Please forgive my impatience. I've probably asked too many questions;
I feel like I am imposing.
No, no, not a problem — it's great to see such enthusiasm and we love
answering questions from sincere people.
Mike, my colleague, replied:
If you live in the United States, Yes, you probably have to wait until
Easter to join the Church. The bad news: If RCIA has started already, you may have
until the next time it starts up. It would be good to make an appointment with the pastor, one who is faithful to the Church. He can go over your options.
In general, this is true but if you are already baptized, and especially
if you are well-educated in the Catholic faith, you may be able to persuade
the pastor to give you one-on-one instruction and admit you early. Ask
around. (Also note that Christians do not technically have to go through RCIA . Often, candidates [as they are called, as
opposed to catechumens who are unbaptized] are sent to the same classes, but it's a mistake
to put a baptized person into the RCIA program. [The program involves
rituals and other things in addition to classes.])
Also read and study the
Catechism (cover-to-cover, if you can), which will show your earnestness
to learn. Another Catechism that is good for someone from a Protestant
(particularly an Evangelical/Fundamentalist perspective) is Basics
of the Faith: A Catholic Catechism by Alan Schreck.
It does have one error
in it which you should be aware of; it speaks of the Catholic Church
as being part of the Church of Christ, whereas in fact we believe it
is the Church of Christ (this is predicated on the translation of the
Latin word subsistere), but other than that, it's an excellent resource.
While these are not teaching aids per se, you may enjoy and get benefit
from conversion stories such as Rome
Sweet Home by Scott Hahn and Surprised
by Truth, Surprised
by Truth 2 — and
3 edited by Patrick Madrid.
If
you want common questions answered (particularly hostile questions),
check out the Essential
Catholic Survival Guide from Catholic
Answers.
This is a collection of all their tracts (which you can preview on their
web site) and has a lot of good explanation of Catholic teaching, although
it is a bit biased toward beliefs that Protestants challenge us on (rather
than, say, the foundation of the faith).
Hope this helps,
Eric
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